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A while ago, [livejournal.com profile] misscam posted her own list of fandom pet peeves, and I finally got around to putting mine together. Some of these things are specific to Doctor Who/Torchwood. Others are, sadly, universal. YMMV, naturally.


1. Misspelling characters' names. I'm not talking about the occasional typo. I mean consistently incorrect spellings. Why is it that so many self-proclaimed fans of Charley Pollard think her name is spelled "Charlie"? I've also seen Nissa, Joe, Adrick, Jaime, Perry, Camellian, Teegan/Teagan/Tegen/Teigan/Teagen, and Turlo/Turlow/Terlough running around, and I must have laughed for five minutes straight the other day when one author kept referring to Teagun throughout her fic. Even the poor TARDIS comes in for some abuse (TARDAS, TARDUS, TARDES). The capper might be the existence of a strange creature called Ramona, who certainly bears no connection to Romana.

2. Misspelling actors' names. A Peter "Davidson" often appears on people's lists of favorite Doctors. No idea who he is, but Peter "Davison" is tied for first on my own list. "Billy" Piper, Christopher "Ecclestone", and David "Tennent" (or "Tenant") probably wish their fans would get it right, too.

3. [livejournal.com profile] misscam had this one on her list, and it bothers me enough to make mine, too. If I ever start up a comm, one of the rules will be that any post including the phrase "If this isn't allowed, please delete it" will automatically be deleted, even if the content actually falls within the rules. It's that annoying. If the people who make those posts would simply read comm rules and/or ask a mod before posting, they would know whether the material is permitted. But I guess that's too much to ask.

4. Time Lord. Two words. Not Timelord. It's onscreen in the episode that's titled Last of the Time Lords. Isn't that a big enough clue?

5. On a similar note: The correct spelling is c-a-n-o-n. Because if you say you're going to add something to your personal "cannon", then I picture one of those big ol' weapons being loaded up in preparation to fire.

6. Rabid character hate. Not merely disliking or even actually hating a character, but being actively nasty. I was trying to think of any characters I genuinely hate, and it was a tough job. I finally came up with the Daleks, Connor (from Angel), and Spinelli from General Hospital. I skip most of their scenes, I wish they didn't exist, and they irritate the hell out of me. That said, I don't write bashfic about them, I don't regularly rant about how much they suck, and I don't use disgusting little hate icons of them. Basically, I usually try to avoid thinking about them. If you truly despise a character that much, why in the world would you want to spend any more of your time than absolutely necessary with him (or her) on your mind? Or is that train of thought too logical?

7. That type of fanfic known as a drabble? It's 100 words, exactly. Don't go calling your 2000-word story a drabble. It isn't. Neither is your 135-word story. The point of a drabble is that it's a specific length.

8. Awful authors' notes. The ones below work for me only if the story is a parody. Otherwise, they're gigantic turn-offs and reasonably reliable warning signs that a story is bad.
I didn't use a beta reader. All mistakes are mine. Well, duh. Unless, say, your cat commandeered your keyboard while your back was turned, of course you're responsible for the contents of your story, including any errors. Said statement also carries the unfortunate implication that if the writer had used a beta and the story then contained mistakes, the writer would immediately whirl to point the finger of blame at the person who gave up her time to help. This sort of note drips with fail.

I suck at summaries (or "summeries"). What's the point of saying this? To imply that even though the summary is terrible, the story itself might by some miracle be good? Go sell that one to someone else. Saying "I suck at summaries" will just make most potential readers assume (very often correctly) that the story will be as bad as the summary.

Character bashing. I'm of two minds about this warning. Ideally, no one would ever use it because no one would ever write bashfic. Realistically, though, I want to be warned if bashing lies ahead. That way, I know to skip not only the story in question, but anything else with that author's name on it.

This story sucks but I'm posting it anyway/Not my best effort. Well, thanks for sharing your crap with the world. I don't know how I ever would have survived without setting eyes on it. If you really think your story sucks? Either don't post it, or if you must (for a ficathon or whatever), present it in the best possible light. Which means not including notes to the effect that the fic isn't very good.

I did no research what so ever, I don't like research. If you were too lazy to do research, for heaven's sake don't trumpet this fact to your audience. I saw this note attached to a story where the plot hinged around a major medical condition involving the lead character. I wonder if it ever occurred to her that, given her aversion to putting effort into getting the facts right, writing a story with a medical plotline might not be the greatest idea.

I wrote this story in ten minutes/at 1 in the morning/while I was on a sugar high. DO NOT WANT. Do not want to know, do not want to read, do not want to think about.

I want five/ten/random number of reviews before I'll post more. If I feel like commenting, I'll leave a review... unless the author sets a review quota. In that case, she has guaranteed that I won't comment. Think about it this way: If one has to beg for or demand reviews, how much are they worth? Isn't it better to get genuine praise or concrit that wasn't the result of throwing a temper tantrum?




Well, I stopped at eight pet peeves. Feel free to share your own.

Date: 2009-08-30 04:17 pm (UTC)
ext_3965: (Brigadier Sir Alistair Lethbridge-Stewar)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
I bet that fic:

I did no research what so ever, I don't like research. If you were too lazy to do research, for heaven's sake don't trumpet this fact to your audience. I saw this note attached to a story where the plot hinged around a major medical condition involving the lead character. I wonder if it ever occurred to her that, given her aversion to putting effort into getting the facts right, writing a story with a medical plotline might not be the greatest idea.

is the same one I recently walked away from after seeing that note - it was on Teaspoon. I shuddered in horror! (Part of my reaction's probably down to the fact that I *love* doing research for my fics - think it's the scholar in me coming out!)

Date: 2009-08-30 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Probably the same story, yeah.

I can understand not liking/wanting to do research, but why an author would choose to write a fact-based story and then announce that she was, basically, too lazy to put in the work... well.

For my own stories, I'll either do the research or revise my plot to avoid writing about something I might screw up.

Date: 2009-08-30 04:33 pm (UTC)
ext_3965: (10 M Kiss Notebook)
From: [identity profile] persiflage-1.livejournal.com
For my own stories, I'll either do the research or revise my plot to avoid writing about something I might screw up.

Ditto!

Date: 2009-08-30 04:24 pm (UTC)
ext_17679: (Default)
From: [identity profile] netgirl-y2k.livejournal.com
Oh, a world of yes on the misspelled character names. I once got a fic for a ficathon, which may well have been a perfectly nice fic, I'd have no idea because I couldn't read more than a couple of lines of it because Tegan was consistently spelled as Teegan. Why-oh-why?

I used to be very guilty of the here's-a-fic-I-have-written-but-it-is-crap thing, but I'm much better now as I've realised there's a difference between being funny and self-deprecating and just being off-putting.

Date: 2009-08-30 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Poor Tegan. I think people screw up her name the most of any chracter ever on the show. And it's not that hard to look it up!

I don't think you've ever written a bad story, so you have no reason to say one of your stories sucks. ;) Most authors who say it are being totally honest.

Date: 2009-08-30 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicallaw.livejournal.com
In addition to awful authors' notes, if a fic header has stupidly large text or is in several different colours, there's no way I'm reading your fic.

Date: 2009-08-30 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Agreed. And if the type is dark on a dark background (or light on light), I'm not going to strain my eyes trying to make it out.

Date: 2009-08-31 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadekirk.livejournal.com
Definitely this. I have bad eyesight as it is and I don't want to make it worse trying to read a fic that's yellow on white.

Date: 2009-09-01 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
I just saw a fic that was dark grey on a black background and clicked away screaming. My poor eyes. :(
(edited for annoying typo)
Edited Date: 2009-09-01 02:21 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-30 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tromana.livejournal.com
I want five/ten/random number of reviews before I'll post more.

That one annoys me beyond belief. It guarantees that I won't review regardless of the quality of work. Anyway, aren't you meant to be writing it because you enjoy writing, not because of praise?

Date: 2009-08-30 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
The sad thing is, a lot of people will fall all over themselves to give those authors the reviews they demand: "Nooo u cant stop riting this sotry its teh gr8est evar!!1!"

Date: 2009-08-30 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happydalek.livejournal.com
I <3 this list of yours SO MUCH.

I want five/ten/random number of reviews before I'll post more.

Which means you are writing purely to get attention for yourself and want instant gratification. These are not conditions under which quality art is generated.

Beeeeg red flag, yes.

Something that bugs me: fanfic bandwagoning. By that I mean, 1,254,548,752,215,442 Ten/Rose reunion fics, or 657,422,248,987 how-Donna-got-her-memory-back fics. Most of which are virtually indistinguishable from each other. If you want to write fiction, try to pick something that hasn't been done 5,235,684,259,871,410 times already.

Date: 2009-08-30 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
I always hope that authors who demand reviews won't receive their quota (but they usually seem to).

I know what you mean about the billions of reuionfics, in particular. I've seen a ton of them, and they almost all follow a cookie-cutter pattern.

Date: 2009-08-30 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravenskyewalker.livejournal.com
2. Misspelling actors' names. A Peter "Davidson" often appears on people's lists of favorite Doctors.

I used to know someone in fandom who crusaded against references to "Peter Davidson." Unfortunately, she wasn't successful. *sigh*

I've seen some strange variations on Sylvester, too. Slyvester, Sylvestor, Slyvestor... Also, I don't like Sylvester McCoy being called Sly, because that's not his nickname; Sylv is fine, as long as it's not Slyv.

5. On a similar note: The correct spelling is c-a-n-o-n. Because if you say you're going to add something to your personal "cannon", then I picture one of those big ol' weapons being loaded up in preparation to fire.

I enjoy the SF/fantasy author Elizabeth Bear. I just read her novel New Amsterdam and was taken aback when one of the characters mentioned hearing "canon." No, he was hearing cannon going boom. Oh dear, Bear, and shame on your editor for not noticing, either.

I did no research what so ever, I don't like research. If you were too lazy to do research, for heaven's sake don't trumpet this fact to your audience.

Groan. I'm a nerd who loves research. I admit that I once privately berated a lazy kid on a board because he whined about how he hated to do research, and he went crying to his friends over it. Oh well, shame on me for expecting people to be literate and to enjoy using their literacy. (Mind you, I live in a society where people think that Alphabetical by Author in a bookstore or library is "complicated." Uh-huh. Oh, gawd.)

Date: 2009-08-30 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
I used to know someone in fandom who crusaded against references to "Peter Davidson." Unfortunately, she wasn't successful.

I know she wasn't successful, because only a few days ago, I saw a "favorite Doctors" list with Peter DaviDson on it. :(

one of the characters mentioned hearing "canon." No, he was hearing cannon going boom.

Unusual mistake. Generally, people manage to correctly spell that kind of cannon.

What really gets me is how the author in question chose to write a medical story and then blatantly stated she didn't do the research. Bizarre.

Date: 2009-08-30 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cersia5.livejournal.com
I wrote this story in ten minutes/at 1 in the morning/while I was on a sugar high. DO NOT WANT. Do not want to know, do not want to read, do not want to think about.

Sigh...but so many of my fics are written this way...but of course I go to sleep then look at it again in the morning BEFORE posting...at least...mostly. ::Evil Grin::

Date: 2009-08-30 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Sigh...but so many of my fics are written this way...but of course I go to sleep then look at it again in the morning BEFORE posting...at least...mostly. ::Evil Grin::

Yeah, but do you include a big note saying, "Tee hee, I wrote this story at 1 in the morning, aren't I clever?" ;)

I've written stuff at 1 in the morning too, but I've always proofread it and I've never announced that that was when I wrote it. Except maybe when I posted a parody, but the note was part of the joke.

Date: 2009-08-30 09:04 pm (UTC)
ext_6531: (DW: Team TARDIS v1.0 (The Forgotten))
From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com
"Billy" Piper, Christopher "Ecclestone"

Both of these mysterious figures appear in Billie Piper's autobiography. Copy-editing fail.

Date: 2009-08-30 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Really? That's simultaneously hilarious and disturbing.

Date: 2009-08-30 09:11 pm (UTC)
ext_6531: (Random: They fight crime!)
From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com
"Billy" only appears once, but "Ecclestone" turns up all through. And worse, it's the same in the second edition.

Date: 2009-08-30 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
That's very embarrassing. But it's also giving me a good laugh.

Date: 2009-08-30 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syzygy-lj.livejournal.com
All of your peeves are bang on, but the one that pisses me off the most is #6. I may not like a certain character, but unless it's pertinent to the discussion, I usually don't bother mentioning it. But there are some (Martha-haters in particular) who just have to say something.

I was reading a post someone made of awesome Who-themed cakes, and the last one, which was amazing, had a Martha figure on it. And of course, someone just had to say "That cake would be so cool if Martha wasn't on it!"

Shut up. Shutupshutupshutup. Nobody asked you, you're not adding anything constructive to the conversation, and, oh yeah, bite me. It took all my willpower not to deliver a smack-down and start a flame war over it.

Date: 2009-09-01 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
That is so obnoxious and rude. I bet the cake-maker felt like strangling that person.

Date: 2009-09-01 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syzygy-lj.livejournal.com
I felt like strangling her! Why did she need to bring that up? I really had to reign in the snark.

Date: 2009-08-31 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phlegethon-vii.livejournal.com
Brilliant list, and I couldn't agree more, especially about quota whores.

Date: 2009-09-01 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
Authors who type REVIEW REVIEW about a million times at the bottom of each chapter are irritating, too. I see that sometimes at fanfiction.net and it never fails to annoy me.

Date: 2009-08-31 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prof-pangaea.livejournal.com
5: i am now so hardwired against this that whenever i see someone talking about the dimension cannon i have a brief moment of wanting to fix their spelling. even if i'm the one typing it. (it happened just now!)

3: i am going to use that myself.

Date: 2009-09-01 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
I think I'm at the point where I'm more surprised when someone spells "canon" correctly than when someone misspells it. :(

Date: 2009-08-31 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neutralalienist.livejournal.com
1. I will never understand why so many, many people call him Davidson. Really, guys?

7. YES. Yes, yes, yes. You wouldn't go round calling a 4/2/6 poem a Haiku.

Date: 2009-09-01 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
You'd think "Davison" isn't so tough a name to get right, huh?

The longest "drabble" I've yet seen was a good 5000+ words. When I reviewed, I asked the author why she had marked it as a drabble. She said drabble is what you're supposed to call a "pointless" story, which she believed hers was.

No, it still doesn't make any sense.

Date: 2009-09-01 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cersia5.livejournal.com
oh wow crack!fic=drabble. LOL

Date: 2009-09-01 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com
I highly approve of your peeves. Do you mind if I friend you?

(Followed you here from fanficrants.) :)

Date: 2009-09-01 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost2.livejournal.com
New friends are always welcome, as long as they are not of the Gwen-hating variety (or anything similarly unpleasant). *friends*

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